UNITED STATES
                       SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION

                             Washington, D.C. 20549



                                    FORM 8-K

                                 CURRENT REPORT


     Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934


                        Date of Report: October 28, 2003
                        (Date of earliest event reported)


                            -------------------------



                      TRANSACTION SYSTEMS ARCHITECTS, INC.
             (Exact name of registrant as specified in its charter)



          Delaware                   0-25346                      47-0772104
(State or other jurisdiction       (Commission                (I.R.S. Employer
      of incorporation)            File Number)              Identification No.)


                             224 South 108th Avenue,
                              Omaha, Nebraska 68154
          (Address of principal executive offices, including zip code)


                                 (402) 334-5101
              (Registrant's telephone number, including area code)


                            -------------------------




Item 7. Financial Statements and Exhibits. (c) Exhibits. Exhibit Number Description 99.1 Transcript of quarterly financial performance teleconference and web cast, held on October 28, 2003. Item 12. Results of Operations and Financial Condition. On October 28, 2003, Transaction Systems Architects, Inc. held a teleconference and web cast discussing its financial performance for the quarterly period ending September 30, 2003. A copy of this teleconference/web cast is attached hereto as Exhibit 99.1.

SIGNATURE Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, the registrant has duly caused this report to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned thereunto duly authorized. TRANSACTION SYSTEMS ARCHITECTS, INC. Date: October 31, 2003 By: /s/ David R. Bankhead ------------------------------------ David R. Bankhead Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer and Senior Vice President

EXHIBIT INDEX Exhibit Number Description 99.1 Transcript of quarterly financial performance teleconference and web cast, held on October 28, 2003.

                                                                    Exhibit 99.1

                       TRANSACTION SYSTEMS ARCHITECT, INC.

                            Moderator: Bill Hoelting
                                October 28, 2003
                                   4:00 pm CT


Operator:             Good evening. My name is (Cory) and I will be your
                      conference facilitator. At this time I would like to
                      welcome everyone to the TSA 2003 Fourth Quarter and Fiscal
                      Year-End Financial Results Conference Call.

                      All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any
                      background noise. After the speakers remarks there will be
                      a question and answer period. If you would like to ask a
                      question during this time, simply press star, then the
                      number 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to
                      withdraw your question, press star, then the number 2 on
                      your telephone keypad. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

                      At this time I would like to turn the conference over to
                      Mr. Bill Hoelting, Vice President of Investor
                      Relations.  Mr. Hoelting.

Bill Hoelting:        Thank you and good afternoon.  The participants for
                      TSA's Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call are Greg
                      Derkacht, President and CEO, David Bankhead, CFO, Mark
                      Vipond, President of ACI Worldwide.

                      This conference call could contain forward-looking
                      statements pursuant to the Safe Harbor Provisions of
                      section 21E of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934.
                      Actual results might differ materially from those
                      projected in the forward-looking statements.

                      Statements during the conference call that are not
                      strictly historical statements could constitute
                      forward-looking statements which involve risks and
                      uncertainties which could cause actual results to
                      materially differ from those in the forward-looking
                      statements.

                      Forward-looking statements include the following: any
                      statement dealing with the future prospects or results of
                      the company and the forward-looking statements identified
                      in our press releases and Form 10K and 10Q filings.

                      The agenda for the call will be as follows: David Bankhead
                      will discuss the Q4 financials, Mark Vipond will then
                      discuss the Q4 highlights for ACI Worldwide and Greg
                      Derkacht will then provide some closing comments at which
                      time we'll open up the call to your questions. At this
                      time I would like to introduce David Bankhead, CFO of TSA.

David Bankhead:       Thanks, Bill, and good afternoon.  Today I'll be
                      discussing our fiscal 2003 financial results.  I'll
                      start by highlighting some key milestones that we
                      achieved during the quarter.

                      Total revenue was $71.8 million. Operating expenses were
                      $59.9 million. Operating income was $11.9 million with an
                      operating margin of 16.5%. Net income was $9.1 million and
                      diluted earnings per share were 25 cents.

                      Operating cash flow was approximately $11.6 million. Our
                      cash balance at year-end was $114.0 million. Our 12 month
                      backlog was $232.8 million. The $71.8 million of revenue
                      is comprised of the following: software license fees of
                      $36.6 million, $20.5 million of maintenance revenue and
                      $14.7 million of services revenue.

                      The license fee revenue of $36.6 million was comprised of
                      $15.2 million in initial license fees and $21.4 million of
                      monthly license fees. Revenues for each of the geographic
                      channels were as follows: the United States, $30.8
                      million, Americas International, $10.1 million, Europe,
                      Middle East and Africa, $21.7 million and Asia Pacific,
                      $9.2 million.

                      Revenues for the three business units were as follows:
                      ACI, $55.8 million, Insession, $8.7 million and IntraNet,
                      $7.3 million. Operating expenses for the quarter were
                      $59.9 million, which is a decrease of 5.1% from those
                      reflected in the fourth quarter of last fiscal year.

                      The decrease is primarily due to decreases in bad debt
                      expense and professional fees offset by an increase in
                      business insurance expense. During the fourth quarter we
                      also incurred $2 million in restructuring costs associated
                      with staff reductions in two of our business units.

                      As a result of our ongoing tax planning initiative, we
                      have reduced our effective tax rate to 57.4% for the year.
                      This rate includes a non-deductible goodwill impairment
                      charge of $9.3 million related to the 2001 acquisition of
                      MessagingDirect Ltd.

                      Total revenue for the year was $277.3 million. Operating
                      expenses were $242 million. Operating income was $35.3
                      million with an operating margin of 12.7%. Net income was
                      $14.3 million and diluted earnings per share were 40
                      cents.

                      Operating cash flow for the year was approximately $37.6
                      million, again resulting in a year-end cash balance of
                      $114 million. Our ending backlog was $232.8 million, which
                      is comprised of recurring backlog of $167.1 million and
                      non-recurring backlog of $65.7 million.

                      The recurring components are monthly license fees of $77.7
                      million, maintenance fees of $80.6 million and facilities
                      management fees of $8.8 million. Non-recurring components
                      are license fees of $44.8 million and services of $20.9
                      million.

                      We include in backlog all revenue specified in signed
                      agreements to the extent we believe at this time that
                      recognition of the related revenue will occur within the
                      next 12 months.

                      Thank you for your time this afternoon. I'll now turn the
                      call over to Mark Vipond for his comments on the ACI
                      business unit.

Mark Vipond:          Thank you, Dave.  Good afternoon everyone.  I'm here to
                      give you an update on the fourth quarter results for ACI
                      Worldwide.  ACI's revenue for the quarter was $55.8
                      million.  ACI had good sales results and we signed a
                      number of new contracts during the quarter.

                      Some of the highlights include system and capacity
                      upgrades over $100,000 at 12 customers. These upgrades
                      took place in all of our geographic regions with some of
                      our largest bank customers. For fiscal year 03, ACI had 47
                      capacity upgrades over $100,000.

                      ACI license product had 13 new customers in the quarter.
                      Those products included four BASE24(R), one NET24(TM), two
                      Proactive Risk Manager(TM), five WINPAY24(TM) and one
                      BASE24-es(TM) License.

                      We are pleased with this level of new customer signings
                      and it brings our total number of new customers in fiscal
                      year 03 to 38. We believe our focus on winning market
                      share with our multi platform payment solution is
                      reflected in these results.

                      ACI licensed 14 new applications to existing customers
                      during the quarter. These include licenses of our
                      BASE24-es, BASE24-es Enhanced Authorization System, Mobile
                      Top Up, Commerce Gateway, Automated Key Distribution
                      System, Proactive Risk Manager and new BASE24 add on
                      products.

                      For fiscal year 03 ACI licensed 46 new applications to
                      existing customers. With the ACI commerce framework and
                      our continued investment in multi platform integrated
                      payment solutions, we believe we are well positioned in
                      our market space.

                      We recently had our first customer operating on a Sun
                      Solaris platform move into production with our new
                      BASE24-es product. Our investments in BASE24-es and our
                      strategy to evolve our market leading BASE24 product to
                      this new technology continues to be well received by our
                      customers.

                      We believe our investment in this product line as well as
                      our investments in other products included within our ACI
                      commerce framework will position us to win more business
                      as market conditions improve throughout the world.

                      Thanks for your continued interest and I will now
                      introduce Greg Derkacht.

Greg Derkacht:        Thank you, Mark. We appreciate your attendance
                      today and your interest in TSA. During the fourth quarter
                      we added 25 new customers with the four quarters activity
                      TSA total customer count is approximately 740 running on
                      more -- running more than 1,700 products in 73 countries.

                      Also this quarter we expanded our customer relationship
                      with a number of our existing customers buying them
                      additional software and services. As mentioned, we
                      generated $11.9 million in operating income for the
                      quarter as our three business units -- ACI Worldwide,
                      Insession Technologies and IntraNet -- continued to
                      effectively manage their businesses.

                      This quarter's operating expense did include $2 million
                      restructuring charge associated with staff reductions. As
                      a result of our ongoing tax planning initiatives, we have
                      reduced our effective tax rate for the fiscal year.

                      With our fiscal year-end close, we have completed our
                      planning process for next year and we are in a position at
                      this time to provide revenue and earnings guidance for
                      fiscal 2004.

                      As you know from past financial results, our business is
                      difficult to project on a quarterly basis due to the
                      nature of large software projects and capacity upgrades.

                      With these characteristics, we feel the best guidance we
                      can provide is annual revenue and annual EPS. So based on
                      our business model and an assumed 43% effective tax rate,
                      our annual revenue guidance for 2004 is 266 million to 278
                      -- I mean 287 million and our EPS guidance is 60 cents to
                      72 cents.

                      We will continue to invest in our newer initiatives. For
                      ACI Worldwide these initiatives include BASE24-es,
                      PRM(Proactive Risk Manager), and Payments Manager. We are
                      pleased with the progress of these new initiatives to
                      date.

                      ACI's most significant new progress initiative is
                      BASE24-es, an open system multi platform solution. As a
                      reminder, we rolled out BASE24-es in November 2002 and
                      have since signed seven new customers.

                      In addition, we have expanded our relationship with six
                      existing customers who have signed for BASE24-es Enhanced
                      Authorization Module. PRM addresses credit and debit card
                      fraud as well as anti money laundering issues and Payments
                      Manager is our back office suite.

                      Insession Technologies has two newer initiatives focusing
                      on database monitoring and workflow automation. Although
                      these are smaller in scale than ACI's initiatives, they
                      are important to Insession.

                      IntraNet's focus will be to expand its US leading money
                      transfer banking global messages solution into targeted
                      geos. Overall, we look to expand on our market leading
                      position in e-payments and e-commerce marketplace with our
                      new initiatives and focus on open system opportunities.

                      During our 2004 fiscal year our priorities will be to
                      continue to focus on our core businesses and our newer
                      product initiatives. Over time we may consider potential
                      acquisitions if they meet our business and financial
                      criteria.

                      In closing, I feel good about our current position in the
                      marketplace. We believe we're well positioned with the
                      change that we have made to our senior management team and
                      strengthened our balance sheet, which includes strong cash
                      balance and good liquidity ratios.

                      We enter fiscal 2004 with a backlog of contracted business
                      of $232 million -- $232.8 million, which provides us a
                      good base upon which to build. We also feel our cost
                      structure is appropriate and if there is an up tick in the
                      global economy, we should be able to leverage this
                      structure going forward.

                      I look forward to the upcoming year. And again, thank you
                      for your support and interest in TSA. At this time we will
                      open the conference call up to your questions. Thank you
                      very much.

Operator:             Thank you, sir. At this time I would like to remind
                      everyone, if you would like to ask a question, please
                      press star, then the number 1 on your telephone keypad.
                      Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star 1.
                      We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster.

                      Our first question is from (George Sutton) with
                      Craig-Hallum Capital.

(George Sutton):      Hi guys.  Congratulations on a great quarter.

Greg Derkacht:        Thank you, George, very much.

(George Sutton):      With respect to the strength in the quarter, can
                      you talk about the, you know, this being the fiscal
                      year-end close, I know in the past that's had an impact on
                      your business. Do you think that was an impact here this
                      quarter? And also the Patriot Act implementation that
                      needed to happen by the end of September, did that have
                      any impact?

Greg Derkacht:        Well, let me speak to the first question and I'll let
                      Mark answer the second.  As it relates to the year-end,
                      yes, there is some cyclicalness in our, basically our
                      performance.  Typically the quarter is our best
                      quarter.  But I would also note that we've had two
                      fairly strong quarters in a row and we would hope this
                      is harbinger of things to come, but most certainly
                      cannot say that's the case.

Mark Vipond:          As far as the Patriot Act, no, I don't think our
                      results were materially affected by the Patriot Act at
                      all. We have sold our PRM system preventing money
                      laundering in a number of locations.

                      Typically those are rules based deployments where it's
                      relatively inexpensive as opposed to using our (neural)
                      technologies. So the impacts to our revenue and to our
                      performance as a result of the Patriot Act is not
                      significant.

(George Sutton):      Okay and then can you give us any sense with respect to
                      the ES pipeline what sort of opportunities you think the
                      broadened platform might be providing at this point?

Mark Vipond:          Yeah, in terms of -- what would I say.  I mean, the
                      pipeline looks good.  It has opened up doors.  If you
                      think about the customers, some of which we have
                      announced, some of which we have not been able to
                      announce that we've signed, they've been predominately
                      customers that we wouldn't have gotten to before because
                      they wouldn't have purchased an HP-NSK based system.

                      And we continue to see the pipeline in our -- we have a
                      six quarter pipeline where we try to track activity in our
                      sales channel and we continue to see the ES pipeline of
                      business -- doesn't mean you're going to close it, but the
                      activity levels continue to increase quarter over quarter.

                      As we get more message out and we believe as we start
                      getting more of our clients live and have
                      (referenceabilty), that will continue to promote the
                      product and we'll see even more activity of that product
                      line.

(George Sutton):      Okay, got you.  And then lastly -- these are really I
                      guess for David.  The $2 million in staff reduction, was
                      that included in the numbers you're giving us?  And
                      secondly, the use of cash, if I heard you correctly, you
                      just stated that basically you like the fact that you
                      have liquidity and you'll look to make some acquisitions
                      potentially going forward, but nothing in terms of
                      consideration of a dividend or a buyback or anything
                      like that.

Greg Derkacht:        I'll let Dave answer the first question and then I'll
                      answer the second.

David Bankhead:       If I understood your first question correctly, whether
                      the $2 million was included in our operating expenses
                      for the quarter?

(George Sutton):      Yes.

David Bankhead:       Yes, it was.

(George Sutton):      Okay.

Greg Derkacht:        Yeah, as for the second question, we will look
                      for what I will call opportunistic acquisitions over some
                      period of time or strategic acquisitions which we think
                      makes sense to the organization.

                      I would say for the next fiscal year the intent is to keep
                      our powder dry, focus on what we're doing and at this
                      point in time we have given consideration, but there is
                      not any thought process as to a dividend or basically a
                      stock buyback.

(George Sutton):      Okay, great.  Thanks.

Operator:             Our next question is from (Franco Turinelli) with
                      (William Blair and Company).

(Franco Turinelli):   Greg, Mark, hi and, David, welcome to the conference
                      calls.

Group:                Hi, (Franco).

(Franco Turinelli):   A couple of questions for you if I may. First
                      of all, I just wanted to, a concern that I heard you
                      right. It sounds, Greg and Mark, as though, you know,
                      you're very encouraged by what you're seeing but you don't
                      yet see loose purse strings from your customers. Is that a
                      fair characterization?

Greg Derkacht:        Well, I'll let Mark speak to it also but I would
                      say, you know, we most certainly wouldn't characterize it
                      as victory has been won. We do see some up tick in
                      activity, which hopefully will turn into sales and
                      revenue. But we cannot say that at this point in time.

Mark Vipond:          I certainly wouldn't use the word loose.  I think
                      there's not a death grip on their money anymore.  How's
                      that?  We have seen some, you know, decisions by
                      customers to start investing again.  It's not broad,
                      (Franco), in terms of everybody's opening up their purse
                      strings, but it has improved a bit.  But, you know, it's
                      not crazy yet.

(Franco Turinelli):   Mark, what's the kind of factor in the -- and I know you
                      can't generalize but maybe you can just kind of talk us
                      through this a little bit.  In the situations where
                      people have chosen to do something, particularly some of
                      the more fundamental infrastructure upgrades, what's
                      causing it?  Is it volumes yet or is it functionality or
                      is it just that, you know, this has been so overdue for
                      so long that they've finally kind of gotten around to it?

Mark Vipond:          I think it's a combination of a number of things.  It's,
                      a lot it's -- remember, there's still a tremendous
                      number of custom Bespoked systems that are used to
                      process these environments and so you have volume
                      issues, you have functionality issues, some mandated,
                      some but to be responsive to the marketplace, things
                      like Triple DES and EMV.

                      When those issues hit a specific system, the amount of
                      development work that has to be undertaken is enormous.
                      And so it causes those customers to start looking at their
                      total cost of ownership and how much it costs to maintain
                      and support those environments and upgrade them and that
                      typically causes them to start looking around again to see
                      what their options are.

                      And I think we'll continue to see that. After Y2K people
                      either -- before Y2K they either decided to swap out their
                      in-house systems or they upgraded them. Well, now it's a
                      few years later and you have other issues coming up and so
                      it causes them to re-look at it again to make sure they
                      have the right strategic platform for the long term.

                      So I think we'll continue to see that. It's not like it's
                      a huge tidal wave but over time people continue to look at
                      their systems.

(Franco Turinelli):   Dave, how about a couple of questions for you
                      if I may. Excluding the 9.3 million of non-deductible
                      charges included in the year, it looks to me like the tax
                      rate came in at about 45% for the year, maybe just a shade
                      light. Did I do my math right?

David Bankhead:       You did it pretty well.

(Franco Turinelli):   Okay.  I'm assuming that the operating expense, the
                      restructuring expenses incurred in the quarter would
                      have been taxable, you know, more or less at that rate.

David Bankhead:       Yeah, we would expect those to be deductible expenses.
                      I think we're saying the same thing.

(Franco Turinelli):   Yeah, exactly.

David Bankhead:       Yeah.

(Franco Turinelli):   And I'm sorry, I'm not sure I fully understood
                      where that operating -- what that restructuring charge
                      ended up being taken. Was it mainly the -- on the expense
                      categories? Was it kind of across the board or was it
                      specifically in one line item? Did you end up putting it
                      in G&A or?

David Bankhead:       No, it's spread really to the appropriate
                      operating, you know, the salary expense in the appropriate
                      operating units within those two divisions. So it does get
                      spread out.

Mark Vipond:          But primarily being the salary one.

Greg Derkacht:        That's the major part of it.

(Franco Turinelli):   Okay, great. Just to turn to both the revenue
                      in the quarter and the backlog for a second and then I'll
                      get off the line and let someone else ask some questions,
                      but the professional services was way higher than I had
                      modeled, which is great.

                      And apart from, you know, bad modeling on my part, I was
                      wondering if you could provide any insight into, you know,
                      maybe what's going on there. And also the MLF's was down
                      slightly sequentially, which I was surprised to see. Could
                      you just give me a little bit of help on those two things?

Mark Vipond:          Yeah, I'll attempt to.  On the services side, yeah, I
                      would say the services probably surprised us a little
                      bit in terms of their strength, in terms of the amount
                      of services work that we had in the quarter.

                      And, you know, I had made statements in the past, over the
                      longer term we expect the services will flatten out. Well,
                      I think we've gotten there. What we're seeing is because
                      of the number of new customers, which is where a lot of
                      the services work comes from, because we have had more new
                      customers this year, we have seen an up tick in services.

                      And while I think long term the amount of custom work that
                      has to be done for some of our new deployments will be
                      less, I would expect our services work to maybe be a
                      little bit higher, I think consistent with what we saw
                      this last quarter in the near to mid term.

(Frank Turinelli):    Yeah, because it tends to have a fairly long
                      tail of activity, right. I mean, that's one thing that we
                      forget that these are fairly complex implementations.

Mark Vipond:          Correct.  And it's -- we -- a lot of the service is
                      driven by new customers, it's driven by some customer
                      modifications for BASE24 compliance and you'll see some
                      spikiness in that too because some of the revenue
                      recognition rules now for our new products, services
                      works can't be recognized until we get the product
                      accepted by the client.

                      So -- and with the new rules of how revenue gets
                      recognized in the software business, there's lot of moving
                      parts in this stuff. So frankly, you're going to see some
                      spikiness even on the services side.

(Franco Turinelli):   What about the MLF number?  I was surprised to see that
                      down sequentially?

Mark Vipond:          I don't have those numbers in front of me.

David Bankhead:       The MLF number really is roughly flat from Q3.
                      Our MLF number for that quarter was 21.8 and we were 21.4
                      Q4 and we're a little bit above where we were Q4 of last
                      year, so.

Mark Vipond:          I don't have any -- we'd have to go back and look at
                      it.  You know, sometimes when a customer goes and says I
                      want to PUF or pay up front, they would say, hey, I've
                      basically monotized the MLF's.  There could be some of
                      that.  We'd have to look at it between ACI and Insession
                      where primarily the MLF's exists to see exactly where
                      that might have happened or if we had some customer
                      cancellations on contracts for various products.  We'd
                      have to look into it.  I don't know an answer to that.

(Franco Turinelli):   Okay.  I realize I was being picky.  The amounts are
                      small.  On the backlog, though, there's a very
                      significant pickup in the ILF component, little bit of
                      decline in MLF's.  You must have signed a new facilities
                      management customer because that's doubled.  Again, give
                      us some insight into what you're seeing with different
                      types of revenue stream.

Mark Vipond:          The -- let me clarify the FM because I saw that
                      today too and I asked the question. That was basically a
                      re-categorization that one of our Canadian contracts was
                      being categorized as services and we put it into FM so
                      that did not double. We did not sign up a new customer.

                      That was taken out of services and put it into an FM. So
                      that was just mis-categorized before. Relative to -- yeah,
                      you see the initial license fees up tick. What that shows,
                      (Franco), as you'll figure out, is we had a good sales
                      quarter.

                      A lot of those sales would be for newer products that we
                      can't recognize until we either have delivery or
                      acceptance or some criteria. And so rather than showing up
                      with revenue, they go to backlog. And so the backlog
                      basically reflects a very strong sales quarter that we
                      had.

(Franco Turinelli):   Okay, so I can also presume that's got some nice
                      professional services pull going back to the point we
                      made earlier.

Mark Vipond:          Yeah, you can probably assume that there'll be
                      professional services that go along with that.

(Franco Turinelli):   Terrific.  Thank you, guys.

Mark Vipond:          You bet.

Greg Derkacht:        Thank you, (Franco).

Operator:             At this time I would like to give everyone an additional
                      moment to ask a question by pressing star and the number
                      1 on your telephone keypad.

                      We'll take the next question from Bill Kitchel with
                      Millrace.

(Bill Kitchel):       Thank you. I'm not as familiar with the, all the
                      features of your backlog and the revenue breakdown but
                      could you just speak a little bit more to the license
                      growth and the license growth opportunities ahead of you
                      in light of the year over year decline in license revenue?

Mark Vipond:          Okay, what numbers are you referring to?

(Bill Kitchel):       Well, I'm just looking at the 36.6 versus 39 last year.

Mark Vipond:          Okay.

(Bill Kitchel):       And I'm just trying to understand where the growth is
                      because ultimately that will drive services as well I
                      would think.

Mark Vipond:          Yeah.  In terms of, you know, in terms of license fees
                      you have to be -- you have to recognize potential, the
                      choppiness within our business these days because of the
                      revenue recognition rules.

                      So comparing this quarter to last year, if there was a,
                      you know, a $3 million just about, $3 million difference,
                      we can have wide variations in a given quarter. And you'll
                      see that because the revenue recognition rules have
                      changed. And so pretty hard to compare quarter to quarter.
                      It'd probably be better to be comparing annual to annual
                      because we're going to have more variations in that. And
                      so relative to the trend, what do you see -- look at the
                      backlog.

                      I mean, what that really shows is a lot of the license
                      fees that we've contracted that we can't recognize until
                      we get them accepted or delivered, which we anticipate
                      doing in the next 12 months, you see a pretty healthy
                      backlog of license fees business.

                      It reflects a lot of the sales we are making of our newer
                      products that will not flow into revenue in the near term.
                      They will flow into our backlog and eventually be
                      recognized as we get those products delivered to the
                      client.

                      Relative to the future of our business in license fees, I
                      would -- you know, we're not anticipating that as a huge
                      change in the macro economic environment. We think we had
                      a decent sales year in light of all the world, things
                      going on. And we expect it to be about the same next year.

(Bill Kitchel):       I mean, what should we think of as a growth rate
                      in license fees and if you can't talk about it from that
                      standpoint, what should we think about as a growth in
                      backlog potentially looking out a year? Is it at this sort
                      of 3% sequential rate or is it higher? Is there something
                      that's restraining that or what -- how should I think of
                      that?

Greg Derkacht:        Yeah, we wouldn't comment on those kind of
                      results. I think we've given guidance basically in two
                      specific areas and we don't give guidance in particular
                      components of that.

(Bill Kitchel):       So you don't talk about license growth in your guidance?

Greg Derkacht:        No, we don't.

(Bill Kitchel):       Okay, thank you.

Greg Derkacht:        Uh huh.

Operator:             Gentlemen, at this time there are no further questions.
                      Are there any closing remarks?

Bill Hoelting:        Well, we would like to thank everyone for their
                      participation today for our Q4 and yearend conference
                      call.  Thank you very much.

Operator:             This concludes today's TSA 2003 Fourth Quarter and
                      Fiscal Year-End Financial Results Conference Call.  You
                      may now disconnect.


                                       END